Comments on: 33 Dead Americans is a Tragedy, 33 Dead Iraqi’s is a Statistic http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/ The Pen Is Mightier Than Thy Wench Sun, 21 Mar 2010 02:30:35 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Prose Before Hos http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-19734 Prose Before Hos Tue, 08 May 2007 16:26:59 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-19734 <strong>The Top 10 PBH Posts</strong> It’s official: PBH is well over 1000 posts! And to celebrate, here is the Top 10 PBH Posts for all you Prose Before Hos newcomers and veterans alike (click here for the top 10 of the first 400 posts). 1. The definitive and most popular PBH entry... The Top 10 PBH Posts

It’s official: PBH is well over 1000 posts! And to celebrate, here is the Top 10 PBH Posts for all you Prose Before Hos newcomers and veterans alike (click here for the top 10 of the first 400 posts).
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]]> By: I AM KING OF THE BLOGOSPHERE! « Alec’s Other Blog http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-19325 I AM KING OF THE BLOGOSPHERE! « Alec’s Other Blog Fri, 04 May 2007 15:45:55 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-19325 [...] posts, a lot of frequent visitors, and plenty of controversy. We were featured on Wonkette for our reporting on the media’s coverage of the 33 people who died at Virginia Tech and the 33 that d..., Crooks & Liars for our take on Rush Limbaugh’s racism, and constantly do well on Reddit. [...] [...] posts, a lot of frequent visitors, and plenty of controversy. We were featured on Wonkette for our reporting on the media’s coverage of the 33 people who died at Virginia Tech and the 33 that d…, Crooks & Liars for our take on Rush Limbaugh’s racism, and constantly do well on Reddit. [...]

]]> By: Prose Before Hos » 1 Crazy Gunman Is A Tragedy, 200 Dead Iraqi’s is a Statistic http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-17850 Prose Before Hos » 1 Crazy Gunman Is A Tragedy, 200 Dead Iraqi’s is a Statistic Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:35:57 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-17850 [...] piece serves as a follow up piece to 33 Dead Americans is a Tragedy, 33 Dead Iraqi’s is a Statistic, which raised the point that while the Virginia Tech tragedy was a tragedy, these death tolls are [...] [...] piece serves as a follow up piece to 33 Dead Americans is a Tragedy, 33 Dead Iraqi’s is a Statistic, which raised the point that while the Virginia Tech tragedy was a tragedy, these death tolls are [...]

]]> By: Kit http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-17772 Kit Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:45:52 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-17772 That's a good point hamster. I was reading CNN and I saw that they had a little mini-bio for each of the VT victims and it was really moving. But this another example of the privilege American dead get, the 1000s of dead Iraqis will never have their story told, and it's a shame. I think if even 1 percent of the stories were heard, maybe that could humanize the horror that is going on over there. That’s a good point hamster. I was reading CNN and I saw that they had a little mini-bio for each of the VT victims and it was really moving. But this another example of the privilege American dead get, the 1000s of dead Iraqis will never have their story told, and it’s a shame. I think if even 1 percent of the stories were heard, maybe that could humanize the horror that is going on over there.

]]> By: hamsterloveday http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-17758 hamsterloveday Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:34:29 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-17758 Americans are privileged in life and in death. While all murders-- American, Iraqi-- are devestating, the loved ones of Americans have privileges that the Iraqis do not. Americans get to ask tough questions to university leaders about their responses to the massacre and to their governmental representatives about gun control. Additionally, they have numerous media outlets to express their opinions and create future change. They get to bury their children/husbands/wives/friends and grieve in peace. Iraqis, on the other hand, die without affair, nameless, their bodies perhaps unrecovered. In most cases, there is no one asking questions about their rape/assault/murder. Perhaps we prefer not to know. Americans are privileged in life and in death. While all murders– American, Iraqi– are devestating, the loved ones of Americans have privileges that the Iraqis do not. Americans get to ask tough questions to university leaders about their responses to the massacre and to their governmental representatives about gun control. Additionally, they have numerous media outlets to express their opinions and create future change. They get to bury their children/husbands/wives/friends and grieve in peace. Iraqis, on the other hand, die without affair, nameless, their bodies perhaps unrecovered. In most cases, there is no one asking questions about their rape/assault/murder. Perhaps we prefer not to know.

]]> By: J-Sizzzle http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-17749 J-Sizzzle Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:49:41 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-17749 Also, scratch what I said before. There are two secondary stories in there that give a perfect example of news value. One, US continue to support missions in Cambodia. Two Idi Amin siezes power in Uganda. Both come after the lead Charlie Manson convicted. Both are obviously larger, more important parts of history and obviously, Nam and what Idi Amin did in Uganda are greater tragedies than the Manson killings. But the Manson killings still were a tragic event that the media jumped on and chose to put top of their newspapers, and you know what, though Manson only killed seven people, that story still a big part of history because of its nature as a unique singular event. The Amin story and the Cambodia story were both just pieces in the larger tragedies that were Uganda and Nam. Just like 132 people dying in Iraq on April 17 is part of the larger tragedy that is the war in Iraq. But as a singular event, it has little historical value (unless it becomes a major turning point in the war for either side). The singular event of VTech will be remembered historically because of its uniqueness, and that's why the press do what they do and beat the story into the ground, because they are supposed to be writing the first rough draft of history. Also, that Venezuela thing was weird, wasn't it? I gotta' get up in the mornin', so peace. Also, scratch what I said before. There are two secondary stories in there that give a perfect example of news value. One, US continue to support missions in Cambodia. Two Idi Amin siezes power in Uganda. Both come after the lead Charlie Manson convicted. Both are obviously larger, more important parts of history and obviously, Nam and what Idi Amin did in Uganda are greater tragedies than the Manson killings. But the Manson killings still were a tragic event that the media jumped on and chose to put top of their newspapers, and you know what, though Manson only killed seven people, that story still a big part of history because of its nature as a unique singular event. The Amin story and the Cambodia story were both just pieces in the larger tragedies that were Uganda and Nam. Just like 132 people dying in Iraq on April 17 is part of the larger tragedy that is the war in Iraq. But as a singular event, it has little historical value (unless it becomes a major turning point in the war for either side). The singular event of VTech will be remembered historically because of its uniqueness, and that’s why the press do what they do and beat the story into the ground, because they are supposed to be writing the first rough draft of history. Also, that Venezuela thing was weird, wasn’t it? I gotta’ get up in the mornin’, so peace.

]]> By: J-Sizzzle http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-17747 J-Sizzzle Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:40:20 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-17747 I imagine a pot-sitter is what you would get if greg did some baby-sitting. SNAP! I imagine a pot-sitter is what you would get if greg did some baby-sitting. SNAP!

]]> By: Kit http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-17746 Kit Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:56:59 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-17746 It's interesting that waaay at the bottom they talk about a plane crashing in Venezuela. Also, what's a pot-sitter? It’s interesting that waaay at the bottom they talk about a plane crashing in Venezuela. Also, what’s a pot-sitter?

]]> By: J-Sizzzle http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-17744 J-Sizzzle Wed, 18 Apr 2007 20:27:27 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-17744 I don't like this Kit fellow. He seems to have an excellent grasp of how those sick journalist bastards work. Kitstopher, you also have an awful keen sense of what is quote-unquote "Newsworthy" and what is quote-unquote "Not." Are you one of them? Either way, I say we string this asshole up by the nutsack! Am I right fellas? Let me know and I'll get the string ready..... PS This is a good website to illustrate what is newsworthy in wartime (Note that the lead story is still in our collective mamories, while the secondary story nobody has ever heard of.....): http://frontpagearchive.com/Viewer.aspx?img=34041233 (requires PDF viewer) PPS Alec, when you moving to London and why? I promise not to ditch you by going to Nice and working until midnight the next time your here. PPPS Kit, come to London and crash on Kristine's and my couch for two months. I don’t like this Kit fellow. He seems to have an excellent grasp of how those sick journalist bastards work. Kitstopher, you also have an awful keen sense of what is quote-unquote “Newsworthy” and what is quote-unquote “Not.” Are you one of them? Either way, I say we string this asshole up by the nutsack! Am I right fellas? Let me know and I’ll get the string ready…..

PS This is a good website to illustrate what is newsworthy in wartime (Note that the lead story is still in our collective mamories, while the secondary story nobody has ever heard of…..):

http://frontpagearchive.com/Viewer.aspx?img=34041233 (requires PDF viewer)

PPS Alec, when you moving to London and why? I promise not to ditch you by going to Nice and working until midnight the next time your here.

PPPS Kit, come to London and crash on Kristine’s and my couch for two months.

]]> By: alec http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-17741 alec Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:43:09 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-17741 Lindsey: I think thats the grander point of this whole discussion. I don't think we're trying to belittle anyone's real pain related to the Virginia Tech shootings. Yah it sucks, yah it's terrible, but it's happening every FUCKING day in Iraq, and most of it is related to our presence and happens to INNOCENT civilians. Conclusion: Everyday, something like the Virginia Tech massacre happens in Iraq. Lindsey: I think thats the grander point of this whole discussion. I don’t think we’re trying to belittle anyone’s real pain related to the Virginia Tech shootings. Yah it sucks, yah it’s terrible, but it’s happening every FUCKING day in Iraq, and most of it is related to our presence and happens to INNOCENT civilians.

Conclusion: Everyday, something like the Virginia Tech massacre happens in Iraq.

]]> By: Kit http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-17740 Kit Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:33:16 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-17740 cboostrom: Yeah, when I posted that, they hadn't released the info that he was here since 8. I guess you can blame American culture. Did you know though that worst school massacre in US history was caused by dynamite? Not to say my tragedy is bigger than yours necessarily, but I just mean that if people want to kill people they don't need guns. Not to imply that I think American gun policy is particularly rational. I think we should force people to take classes and learn how to use guns before we let them have one. I don't know if that would have helped in this case particularly, but if the kid was as fucked up as his English major peers said, the gun instructors might have picked up on that. In any case, I think it'd be a good idea in general. I agree with you that America needs to chickity check itself before it wreckity wrecks itself. I just think that blaming guns is a little too simplistic, not that I know what to blame. cboostrom: Yeah, when I posted that, they hadn’t released the info that he was here since 8. I guess you can blame American culture. Did you know though that worst school massacre in US history was caused by dynamite? Not to say my tragedy is bigger than yours necessarily, but I just mean that if people want to kill people they don’t need guns.

Not to imply that I think American gun policy is particularly rational. I think we should force people to take classes and learn how to use guns before we let them have one. I don’t know if that would have helped in this case particularly, but if the kid was as fucked up as his English major peers said, the gun instructors might have picked up on that. In any case, I think it’d be a good idea in general.

I agree with you that America needs to chickity check itself before it wreckity wrecks itself. I just think that blaming guns is a little too simplistic, not that I know what to blame.

]]> By: Kit http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/comment-page-1/#comment-17739 Kit Wed, 18 Apr 2007 19:23:25 +0000 http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/04/17/33-dead-americans-is-a-tragedy-33-dead-iraqis-is-a-statistic/#comment-17739 Did someone shoot your kid yesterday? If so, I am sorry to hear that, losing a loved one is obviously a terrible terrible feeling, especially when the loss is untimely and violent. I have lost friends to guns, it's impossible to describe the pain and shock. If not, who are you to talk? Why do you feel worse about these kids than the kids in Iraq that died yesterday? I don't mean to be rude or inconsiderate, but I don't understand why people grieve more for one stranger than another when they both are innocent and both die untimely, violent deaths. Did someone shoot your kid yesterday? If so, I am sorry to hear that, losing a loved one is obviously a terrible terrible feeling, especially when the loss is untimely and violent. I have lost friends to guns, it’s impossible to describe the pain and shock.

If not, who are you to talk? Why do you feel worse about these kids than the kids in Iraq that died yesterday?

I don’t mean to be rude or inconsiderate, but I don’t understand why people grieve more for one stranger than another when they both are innocent and both die untimely, violent deaths.

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