I’ll make this quick and full of pomp and outrage:
What kind of fucking country do you live in where you have to debate whether torturing someone is a crime? What kind of country do you live in when you can spend 3 years prosecuting the President for a consensual sexual act but won’t prosecute a President for authorizing illegal wiretaps and torturing people? What kind of country do you live in where the supposed ’spiritual’ and ‘religious’ leaders think it’s OK to torture non-Christians? What kind of country do you live in where you can’t even use the word ‘torture’ but have to say ‘interrogation techniques’? What kind of country do you live in when their Nuremberg defense (‘We were just following orders’) becomes the mantra for not holding war criminals accountable for their actions? What kind of country do you live in where a major candidate in a Presidential primary openly advocates for doubling the size of America’s illegal detention centers and increasing the use of torture?
Obama, you won the fucking election. Everyone despises Bush and his administration — they spent 8 years spitting on international law, good sense, and common decency. Fucking prosecute them. God damnit.
See Also: Peggy Noonan And A “Great Nation”, Does Torture Work?, Torture, Tactics and Strategy, Shepard Smith: ‘We Are America, We Do Not Fucking Torture!’, To Turn Your Stomach, We May Never See The Docs Cheney Claims Will Prove Torture Works, How Obama’s release of memos backfired, If America Does It, It’s Not Immoral. If A Republican Orders It, It’s Not Illegal, Release of torture memos political, When Obama decided to release the CIA interrogation memos, Obama Should Look Forward, Not Backward, and Nancy Pelosi Was Briefed On Waterboarding.
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Ms. Noonan – You are a breath of fresh air!!. Thank you for saying what we all should have been saying these last few days. Criminal acts are criminal acts. No one is above the law and we must uphold our legal and moral standards.
Thank you again.
Beautiful rant. It speaks to and for me, and to and for untold millions of Americans.
Get the bastards in the dock, already.
That pretty much sums it all up, whats disgusting, is that this is why we left our homeland, to leave this type of bullshit behind. But here we are, a good half of the bush admin needs to be jailed, we need to star the slow proccess of regaining all that was lost in the last 100 years.
I am not sure if I am alone here, but I would gladly give up living in the lap of luxury to have my rights and freedoms back again, anyone with me on this?
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That’s what happens when corporate greed and fundamentalist crusading shake hands. And just because Obama is called leader now, doesn’t mean the gears in motion come to a screeching halt. Corporations essentially rule the country now and using religion keeps enough people on board for them to get away with just about anything.
just wanted to point out that none of that stuff youre angry about (and im angry about, too) has changed since Obama took office. its not going to change under his administration either. he cant prosecute Bush and his friends for that stuff because then he’d have to prosecute himself for the same shit.
America: you want REAL change? then get it right and elect ron paul in 2012
Pretty pathetic isnt it. Actually makes me ashamed to admit I am an American!
RT
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Clinton was a sleazeball that lied about something under oath. Bush should be prosecuted, but let’s not say that one lie under oath is ok and another is not.
Clinton lied to us, you, me, your mom, your dog, and jesus were he real. He AND Bush deserved impeachment.
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you all are a bunch of whiny, pissed off little ants. I knew someone would go here ok let me explain it to you
(A) it never was about the blowjob you ignorant fucks it was about the president lying bold faced to the public on air and to the world.
(b)its a fucking war and people have to be tortured you better be lucky its not your ass being water boarded, which by all accounts is a mild form of torture and the had doctors on site to make sure that it did exceed what the patient could take. yes i know i wouldnt like it but wake up people its a fucking war, it sucks but its what happens in war?
by the way who in the fuck said America’s morals are such that we shouldn’t torture… umm someone hasn’t been reading their history if you hippy bastards want a peaceful society move to Sweden. because America goddamn sure isn’t your country we are the nastiest dirtiest backstabbing Indian raping plunder and pillage country in the war its a nation built on the death of millions of others, pretty much just like other countries. soooooo get a brain stop whining about torture and what not your the dumb asses that voted bush in don’t get mad know that you don’t like the taste in your mouth.
swallow baby, swallow
Great post, makes me think.
A shitty country run by two parties full of worthless douchebags that are so corrupt we can’t do anything to get rid of them despite the overwhelming desire of the thinking few who don’t want to get into the kickbacks and elblowrubbing, but are smart enough to see it happening… fuck them all, because they fuck us.
RT – the border is open in both directions. If you are ashamed to be American, no one is is water boarding you to stay; get out.
awesome sam, awesome
So if I’m not particularly proud of America right now, I should leave? Are you proud of America? Are you proud of the Bush years?
There will never be a time where everyone is happy. NEVER. Fucking shut up you whiny faggots, deal with the fact that your way isn’t the majority.
(A) it never was about the blowjob you ignorant fucks it was about the president lying bold faced to the public on air and to the world.
I agree.
Also, what has torturing prevented? Don’t try to make a point before you have full documentation. I guess that’s what we get for Obama being selective about what he releases.
quote from shocked:
(b)its a fucking war and people have to be tortured you better be lucky its not your ass being water boarded, which by all accounts is a mild form of torture and the had doctors on site to make sure that it did exceed what the patient could take. yes i know i wouldnt like it but wake up people its a fucking war, it sucks but its what happens in war?
I guess waterboarding someone until they died is exceptable. But hey, it’s all good as long as there’s medical personel around.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/world/20detain.html
People like you are what’s wrong with this country. You can’t stoop to using such tactics and expect to take the high ground. Yes, we had to make a stand. But it’s how you make that stand that defines what type of country you are. And Bush using lies and manipulation to push us into war is/was un-forgiveable. No-one should be above the law. No-one.
Torture Never, ever, ever, works. A person will say anything to make the pain stop.
Interrogation on the other hand, has worked for decades.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Scharff
Lastly. Anyone who wants to start that tried and true bullshit about ” Oh well your unAmerican. You hate freedom. Your unpatriotic. Your a traitor. etc. etc.” You can take a trip to Fallujah and tell it to the part of my left leg I left there. I served my country. What the fuck have you done for it?
He he he. You fake tough boys talking about how this is WAR and we better get used to is and be thankful we’re not getting waterboarded, etc are a goofy bunch of silly pussy bastards.
You all suffer the bravery of being out of range.
You will always be victims.
Clinton wasn’t prosecuted for sex no matter how many times you say it. He committed PERJURY.
You are also being disgraceful for distorting history.
cs
Chris is correct. Nothing has changed, and nothing will change. Sure, unlike the last president, Obama is literate, but that’s about it. At the end of the day, the republican and the democrat politicians go out and play golf with each other. There’s no difference between the two and hasn’t been for some time.
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WTF? If you fucking hate this country so god damn much, then get the fuck out. And fuck everyone who hates this country. You are all a bunch of hippy, make-love-not-war pussies. This is America. You are in this country because we suceeded at war. You are free because we were good at war. Does war suck? Absolutely. Does torture suck? Absolutely. But it is a necessary evil to ensure that your lame asses are kept free. Go wave your rainbow colored flags in another country you woodstock freaks.
i love it now that americans are finally just beginning to see how the rest of the world has viewed them for the last 50 years.
NB: JUST BEGINNING. you are still alot more fucked up than you even realise.
This is why you are no longer the worlds superpower, and will never be again.
What kind of country? Why the USSA. “Love it or leave it?” Tell you what, why don’t the torturers leave? They knew most of the ones grabbed were innocent. Heard of the “mosaic” theory? They’re not guilty, but can still provide a piece of the mosaic.
Remember the American contractor tortured? Was he a terrorist? Google “Donald Vance”
you idiot! clinton wasn’t being prosecuted for having extramarital sex, he was being prosecuted for lying on the stand. get your facts correct.
If our adversaries used waterboarding on captured US solders, would we declare it torture? Of course! That is a bad, bad policy. I thought we were the good guys.
Many of you on here should be the ones giving the BJ’s you certainly have the mouths for it. I have always been told the use of vulgar language is a sign of not having anything intelligent to say. I can make my point here with a minimal amount of offensive language. Since I am one of the few who would be offended it makes it really easy. I am far short of being a perfect moral being but that really was not the issue in the end for Clinton. He lied under oath and that gave the mob a good exscuse to impeach him. I am not a Republican and certainly not a Democrat. I am the leader of a new party called the grass roots party. We pride ourselves on having minds and thoughts that are completely our own. What’s more is we rarely agree on anything except Republicans and Democrats alike are corrupt in their own right. We are centrists and dislike and distrust both parties equally. America has truly missed our chance to be leaders in the world because we cannot even decide on a direction we ourselves want to go much less a direction to lead the world. Finally G.W. Bush was the last President we will ever have that even cares if you respected him. So go ahead and rail away on him because we are all about to be rewarded for our failure to support a strong America. We are now making our enemies our friends and our friends our enemies. We will soon be alone in this world, bankrupt and without true leadership. Go Ahead and try to prosecute Bush and you will find just how misleading that 20% popularity poll is.
Oh yeah one last thing if America is so virtuous then why did we imprison our own citizens in WWII simply because of their heritage. If you think those ‘internment’ camps were not torture maybe you should visit one for your next vacation. America has the right, no the duty to do whatever leadership says in a time of war to protect and properly defend it’s citizenry. That is all now go back to your whining and sedition.
Let’s go surfin’ now
Everybody’s learnin’ how
Do some waterboardin’ with me!
Torture apologetics, whats next?
What happened to trying to better yourselves? What happened to the dream of a better humanity. That maybe we could shake this nasty nature of ours — trying to survive at all costs.
Keep your protections. If you’re going to torture, I’d rather be blown up thanks. I won’t carry your sins for you. Nor will I justify your stone-age morality. Evolve dammit.
What the fuck is wrong with America?
One of the problem(this one beeing the most obvious) is that there is only one political party, some years it’s called The Democratic Party, some years it’s called The Republican Party. Over the years, the fusionned into one party, one mentality. Same party, just different friends and 2-3 ideas they can’t agree with.
A plurality voting system is not helping.
From wikipedia : “A plurality electoral systems encourage tactical voting techniques, like “compromising”. Voters are pressured to vote for one of the two candidates they predict are most likely to win, even if their true preference is neither, because a vote for any other candidate will be likely to be wasted and have no impact on the final result.”
The results makes it so that other parties have almost no $$$ and can’t never reach the top. The actual party in place recycle ideas from both parties and other ideas from different parties are pretty much rejected as having what appear to be marginal ideas.
There is no exit to this issue without a major reform of the whole voting process, which is not about to happen, only Ron Paul could do it, Ron Paul 2012 ?
Anonymousymouse… you had me until Ron Paul 2012. God damnit. It’s like the Ron Paul version of Bel Airing.
Who ever is right, who ever is wrong, y’all enjoy that cheap gas! The World is watching and Mother Nature weeps once more . . .
You lefties keep trying to gloss over this, but the fact is that Clinton wasn’t prosecuted for banging the fat chick, he was prosecuted for lying about it under oath. If he’d been smart enough to say “fuck you, I’m not answering that question”, he would have been fine, but NOOOOO, he had to try lying about it. If Bush had perjured himself, you could get him the same way, but he didn’t, so you can’t. Go cope.
Funny thing is Bush did LIE
We do not torture..Bawaa
Should we debate the scope of the LIE – a blow job versus Bush no comparison – Pulease! No comparison.
Won’t matter no how no way
Now the two are going to tour together!
BAWAAAA!!!!
Let take your advice and remember the ridiculousness of the Clinton investigations. But let’s remember that the 3 year investigation of a consensual blow-job happened because first congress began to investigate a shady real estate deal that happened in Arkansas when Clinton was governor. So that’s what happens when Congress investigates wrongdoings, they use it as a political vehicle to attack the other party.
Now onto torture. Who do you want to prosecute for torture? What law do you want to prosecute them for?. The CIA followed the legal opinion (which was flawed) of the justice department on a matter that was not clearly defined in the law. The courts have recently ruled that those justice department legal opinions were wrong and the CIA has shut down its “enhanced interrogation” methods that were justified by the memo. Democracy and the judiciary system worked. The administration that supported torture is out and the courts ruled their actions were illegal and thus torture has stopped.
The executive has to always operate in gray areas of law under the guidance of the justice departments interpretation of law. They have to act before the courts can rule on those interpretations. We can’t prosecute the justice department for drafting an interpretation that the courts struck down. If we did every past administration could be prosecuted for something. That’s what they do in banana republics; attack their predecessors. A massive congressional investigation into the subject would be just that.
Give me a specific person who violated a specific law and we can talk prosecution. As far as an open inquiry into the matter; lets not start a witch hunt that will drag on for years and probably lead to something entirely unrelated as in whitewater. it seems to me the ending of the program and courts ruling on the matter are sufficient.
Clinton was not prosecuted for a “blow-job” but for Lying Under Oath. Many people have went to prison for the same crime, perjury. He is a Lawyer. He knew better.
Bush is now the scapegoat of the same process that gave him eight years in office. After 9/11 we were all ready to nuke whoever was responsible for killing thousands of Americans in New York. If it happens again we will easily take out to countries in our wrath because we can. That doesn’t make us right, but it sure as hell doesn’t mean we deserve it. Those almost 4,000 individuals had nothing to do with Islam and the multi
Ask any family of the 3,000 plus if they think it is unjust to “water-board those even remotely responsible for their family to be crushed to death under tons of concrete, or to watch them fall to their deaths as they jump from 100+ stories?
If my son was one of those who died trying to save those left screaming in the buildings what do you have to say to me? Why do you think I care about your useless twattell on the internet eight years after the fact? How old are you? whould you even know his name if you hered it read aout loud?
Ask the woman who saw her husband decapitated with a dull knife on the internet. What is waterboarding next to that? Your words are so cheap, what do you know?
Your anger is that of someone who is young (born since 1982)and middle class parents. You don’t know suffering. You live vicariously through the sufferings of others. That makes you the worst kind of Vampire. (I bet you like Twilight, didn’t you?)
Since the President tortured no one, and did not order torture What the F are you talking about.
Do some research and stop listening to the media and the democrats.
Waterboarding is not torture.
Oh and one more question…
Since when are terrorists afforded the rights under the Geneva Convention.
They do not offer them to our service men, why are we required to follow them with terrorist prisoners.
these are murderers. Cold blooded calculating murderers. They do not have rights until they put on a uniform and meet us on the field of battle. Till then waterboard them 1- times a day
such is life. people like myself must bear witness to some of the least intelligent men and women in this country spew forth the most foolish drivel every day. and there’s nothing people like myself can do, for they are so far gone already.
not even the cleverest, best-thought-out retort on their part will ever change reality. and, of course, the most poetic, eloquent words i can muster will ever be heard by these fools.
even so, your words and illusions shall continue to flow forth from your mouths like oil… and blood.
the most pathetic part of it all is that no one will know on which side of this pathetic “disagreement” i am. this is how blurred the line between right and wrong has become. YOU sicken me.
such is life.
i bet 9 out of ten of you didnt even know this:
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-clintonperjury.html
i’d laugh, but you’re actually real and take yourselves seriously…. so its not funny.
LOL, it depends what the meaning of the word “Is” is. By every common sense definition of the word he perjured himself. There is not a jury on the Planet that would have disagreed. He knew exactly what he was denying when he swore to the American People that He “did not have sex with that woman.”
Are you saying it is okay to lie to the public about matters under oath as President? Is that our standard of Truth for the highest office?
Vote this Fucker off Reddit.
Who uses Ho! as a positive? Seriously, vote this abortion off of reddit, let digg have it.
America is a country full of religious idiot drones who do what they’re told, think what they’re told, and attack any American who rocks the boat for God and country (aka big business and their political henchmen).
Is this current situation really surprising? I’m more surprised there are any intelligent people left in America who can’t see the ship is sinking and get out while they still can.
Hey Shocked! It’s meatheads like you that make me walk on the other side of the street. Not that I’m afraid of you…it’s just that you tend to avoid going into a room that smells of shit.
We can’t expect to make everyone be just like us, but you go through life doing your best to avoid the evil. Sometimes, though, it runs right into you…kinda like you on this blog.
Check out the movie “Grand Canyon”, it’s all about this kind of thing….
What kind of country do we live in where people who are allegedly so concerned with the rule of law, due process for suspected terrorists, say for people they hate “throw them in the dock already.” Strange internal intellectual inconsistency.
Torture has a legal definition which acts must fit before it is a crime. Too complicated for you to read so I will spare you the site. Requires “specific intent” mens rea of the accused. But um “throw them in the dock.” We live in a country where people want to give Consititutional rights for suspected terrorists and want to dispense with those same rights for people they hate.
Oh and newsflash, you mental midget, Clinton wasn’t prosecuted for getting a blowjob, he was prosecuted for multiple acts of perjury during sexual harrasment cases. Apparently, some people are above the law when it comes to women’s rights, as long as you like the accused and hate the accuser. Your post is simply internally inconsistent and shows your real beef is not about laws and the consitution its about revenge against people you politically hate.
Last think, when you say “illegal” have some fucking basis, e.g. a verdict, a case, otherwise its your own opininion and legally it has no import, much like yourself.
They didn’t prosecute Clinton for a blowjob. They prosecuted him for perjury.
Get off Obama’s dick. He is allowing the same wiretapping Bush did. And Nancy Pelosi knew full well that water boarding was approved for use and did nothing about it until now shes claiming she didn’t know it actually happened… Yet didn’t care that it was an option because she is the two faced lying representation of the democrats in congress.
And of course it goes without saying Clinton was prosecuted for perjury you ignorant fuck. That is illegal. Stop hating Bush and open your eyes to what the current administration is doing. Use some of your almighty insight and criticism that you exercise so well on the past administration with the current one.
If this country is so damn terrible please do us all a favor and get the fuck out. You are entirely welcome to pack up your shit and get out if its so terrible.
Baffled= Excellent post. The inconsistencies of these people that pretend to care about law, or course when applied to terrorist only, is laughable. You don’t even have to read between the lines that it has nothing to do with anything other than Bush hatred. Grow up and use some reasoning rather than hatred you ignorant fucks.
Please don’t say “everyone” despised Bush. That kind of generalization simply isn’t true, and personally, I don’t want to be grouped with you as part of an “everyone” anyway.
You piece of shit green slimy avatar fuck. You call people faggots while you’re taking it in the rear. Move to a country where blowjobs are illegal. Iran! Iraq! That’s where you deserve to live you miserable little pile of crap. America is about freedom baby, and you don’t get it with torture. You are an IQ >80 idiot that doesn’t know the first fucking thing about history. Go blow yourself. Nobody else will.
Kilgatron: Either apparently you can’t read, or you one of those “don’t confuse me with the facts” individuals. I don’t think your post contained a single fact, this will not serve you well in life, unless you come back to reality and deal in “real life.” Clinton was charged for comitting perjury, not for getting a blowjob. That is the one fact in my post for you. Can you do the same? Just include one fact such as “I am scared, although its not factually accurate, that you can get charged for GIVING a blowjob in the U.S., because I was on my knees for Clinton many times.” Say a fact like that, again, all I require is a single fact in a post. Yours had none, bj boy.
Many of you are missing a couple of crucial points. Maybe it’s because everybody is listening to the spin on the memos that were released, rather than reading them. So let’s lay a few things out on the table.
Firstly, waterboarding is torture, and numerous soldiers, intelligence personnel, and even our own government (with respect to Korea’s actions during the Korean war I believe) have stated that waterboarding is torture. So please drop the bs on this because the professionals who have performed this procedure have stated it to be torture.
Secondly, there is solid historical data to suggest that torture results in a ton of misinformation because the person being tortured will say anything to make the pain stop. That doesn’t mean that ALL the information is false, but there’s significant evidence that we wasted tons of resources (both human and monetary) chasing after false information procured by these techniques. That being said, why is it worthwhile to engage in acts of barbarism that don’t actually further our goals? To me, that’s what makes this especially disappointing.
The third crucial bit is that all of the memos I’ve read thus far paint a very strange picture with regards to the intent of the authors. They seemed to want to construct a case to avoid getting warrants, not just for hunting down terrorists, but also for applications to domestic criminal cases. The automatic justification for said warrants would be the protection of personnel in Iraq, for whom the information is absolutely necessary to get as soon as possible. btw, the bit I just explained is only the first two or three pages. A lot of the stuff earlier in the memos implies a strong desire to expand the American police state.
For the record, I’m NOT issuing some sort of conspiracy theory, just my interpretation of the portion of the memos that I’ve gotten through thus far (they’re very dense reading, crammed with “legalese”). There have also been indications that torture was leveraged in order to get information specifically to justify the war in Iraq. That is, there wasn’t solid evidence that there were WMD’s, so they needed to “find” intelligence to justify the war they had been planning since before 9/11.
That would mean that there’s a possibility that we tortured people in order to manufacture evidence to carry out a goal that was purely motivated by politics (or maybe just Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld wanting to “finish” things in Iraq *shrug*). I don’t know if this is truly the case, but the information currently available seems to point in that direction. If my above-stated premise is, in fact, correct, than the magnitude of the lies coming from the heads of our executive branch are to the tune of every death (whether Iraqi, American, or one our allies’), and to simply put on the blinders and ignore the complete co-opting of our government and military amounts to approval on our part.
In a sense, not chasing down the truth on these issues is equivalent to us telling the rest of the world that we’re blind nationalists who are completely comfortable with our government snubbing the rule of law if it suits them; and to us telling our government that we don’t care what they do in our name even if they might be engaging in the entirely wrong actions for the wrong reasons.
edit: former heads of our executive branch
Though I’ll readily admit that Obama’s similar policies. Being just a citizen, and nowhere near DC, I’ve already sent him emails and left messages explaining why I think he’s a failure as a president if he doesn’t address these issues instead of wussing out on anything remotely approaching a decision. Perhaps if the legal precedent were set to make the domestic wiretapping (and other Gestapo-esque tactics), then Obama would have no choice but to stop supporting them. Just a thought I figured I’d tack on to acknowledge the criticisms of Obama that I saw above this.
Well there you have it some of the “professionals” have called it torture, so therefore it is. You can find just as many to say its not torture. But, you should have saved this ridiculous point that we are going to look to common vernacular to determine if something is torture. Oh, um, some ex CIA guy on MSNBC said its torture. What matters here is what the fucking LAW says idiot. Why don’t you look at the statute which you probably have never looked at, and stop saying what people “said” is torture. That course of arguing is infantile. There is a statute and it requires the specific intent of the person performing the act, which I will save from laying out here because “specific intent” is probably to technical for your “already concluded” pea brained mind.
Our government has prosecuted soldiers for waterboarding our men. What other standard of proof do you need? I’m not a lawyer, but I understand that to be a legal precedent. As for specific intent (which I looked up, thanks to you), I’m not sure how it applies. Obviously the intent was to inflict large amounts of mental and/or physical discomfort in order to force these people to reveal information that they may or may not have. Where does specific intent tie into a justification or defense of this behavior?
Also, if you’re speaking with a somebody who hasn’t demonstrated wild irrationality, it won’t do you much good to start throwing insults. It makes legitimate discourse far more difficult, and makes you sound ignorant. If you possess the words to explain your thoughts without needing to insult mine, then please use them.
J,
Sorry for the personal invective. I am used to debating this with people who can’t have an actual discourse, and because I disagree with them they throw personal insults at me. All they can say is “Lock up Bush & Cheney.” Your last post made some good points. My only point is that when speaking of torture and wanting to imprison people you can’t talk about “torture” like you use it around the dinner table.
As for specific intent, as related to torture, take a look at this http://gulcfac.typepad.com/georgetown_university_law/2006/09/common_article_.html
Regards
Wow, that’s pretty damning actually. I guess, by their own definition then…somebody could torture one of the authors of these documents with the specific intent to have them learn the error of their ways….the excruciating pain and ensuing mental breakdown were just an unfortunate consequence, but weren’t really the main objective. Talk about amorality.
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I’m not ashamed to be an American. However, I’m not thrilled with the American Government. If you’re too closed minded to separate the two than you have no business spreading your hate and anger. This makes you no better the the administration you dislike so much. The Government stopped listening to it’s people quite some time ago. Anyone who puts their hope in a particular president or party is setting themselves up for severe disappointment. The majority of Americans do not agree with how recent events have been handled. The drastic changes we need now can happen only if the People rise from their complacency and tell our elected officials that they will lose office if their policies do not reflect our desires and beliefs. We need to stop giving those in government so much control. I’m done…
I have not read a single post here from a person that knows how the government works. You cant charge Bush with a crime because what he did was not within the power of his office. The power for him to conduct the illegal activity that he did was granted to him by congress when they allowed him the power to declare war. In times of war the power of the president is increased, and the people that gave him the power was a democrat control congress. You people say what you say because you feel that something is wrong, maybe if you read the constitution you would realize that the bureaucracy though complicated is quite beautiful and people like Obama who ignore it are the criminals.
I’m gonna respond to shocked
Right on man at least someone isn’t a blind hippie.
and to all the people who don’t like torturing
Lets see if a terrorist gives a fuck about human rights when he captures you eh?
I posted what I think about torture over on my blog, Ian’s Brain.
http://iansbrain.com/2009/04/27/chain-of-command-of-us-torture-program/
“Your tax dollars were used to pay for these programs. Your money has and is being spent to break the law and violate people’s basic human rights. Terrorist or doctor, in America we believe that we all have certain unalienable rights. Torture is never a reasonable course of action for a modern democracy. It is what dictators and tyrants resort to when they run out of ideas.”
The same kind of country that allowed a Vice President to steal billions, that’s right, billions of dollars and feed it to a company that actually had him on the payroll, on top of being a major shareholder. No bid contracts, so where is the criminal investigating for blatant up front corruption that the whole world is fully aware of but some how the deaf, dumb and blind US injustice system does absolutely nothing.
This rant is nonsensical and fallacious. Look at your very first sentence:
“What kind of fucking country do you live in where you have to debate whether torturing someone is a crime?”
The debate is whether or not torture is a crime, jackass, the debate is over whether or not waterboarding is torture (The Obama admin. says it is, and so is slapping someone’s face or putting non-biting bugs in their cells. Do you think those are torture? It sounds more like bush-league college hazing.)
You clearly think this is a crime, even though it is in the gray area as evidenced by the fact that nobody is in trouble. Another thing in the gray? The legality of warrant-less wiretaps (which Obama is still using, by the way).
And that’s only your first two mind numbingly obtuse sentences. Good lord.
Oh, and to answer your title question–you are.
You people seriously make me not want to live. Like I do not want to live life when people as fucking idiotic as you live also. Jesus Christ.
Try to equate these 2 videos
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/decapitation_video.htm
http://current.com/items/86509751_getting-waterboarded-uncut-version.htm
Not everything is as “Black and White” as you would like to pretend it is. America is not debating whether or not “Torture” is a crime – that is a universally accepted fact in the civilized world. The debate is about the definition of “Torture”. Obviously, if news reporters are subjecting themselves to water-boarding (the technique that started this debate)on national television then it’s safe to say that that particular technique is NOT torture. You don’t see any body volunteering to get beheaded or having an appendage removed for the sake of “understanding” do you? Of course not, because those acts are the real torture techniques. Making somebody “Feel” like they are drowning is not torture – it’s an interrogation. Further more, while you’re having this debate, do not discount the information that has been obtained from using this technique. Is it better to have one person think he was drowning (and yet still lives) or to have had another 9-11? Why do I even have to ask that question?
people have been executed for torture
anyone saying “in war you have to be tortured” needs to put the Xbox down and read a book. Start with your Bible you frauds.
To a few posters:
The point of torture (other than satiating repressed fetishes) is to elicit confessions or information via physical, mental, and psychological intimidation and aggression. Beheading a person is not torture, it’s murder. Waterboarding is simulating drowning (aka mimicking a near death experience) to elicit information. How does this not qualify as torture or as a crime?
-Alec
The country is called America I believe.
you are my new personal hero!
if your a woman lets get marrried..
if your a bloke i owe you a case of beer..
if your a doctor i need medical attention as my head is so sore from last night i cant remember where my head ache tablets are and some asshole (probably me) drank all my alcohol…
either way move to australia and ill get you you drunk an either take advantage of you or leave you somewhere naked (all in good fun)
fuck bush!
wake up obama!
Honestly,
(or elect officials who actually know what their doing during a time of WAR)
Your rant makes me smile, not because it expresses how I feel, but because it is so pathetically ignorant and obnoxious. You think you’re from the tolerant party that can “elect a black man into office” and “stop terrorism through words” but you need to come to reality. We were attacked by terrorists because the Middle East has an unstable government. We’re not there to save the civilians. America could care less about the people of the Middle East. We’re there to ensure we don’t get fucking attacked again. Grow a pair and realize that your ranting is just a continuation of your sore-loser tendencies (honestly, it sucks you lost TWICE and couldn’t manage to change government on your own) so you should probably do something worth your time. Why do you think none of this has stopped since your messiah Obama has come into office? Probably because he has received intelligence (you know, stuff they can’t tell the public because pricks like you who hate America/want us all to die will use it to ‘free the middle east and liberate the terrorists!’) and he’s realized “shit, fuck the terrorists we’re in deeper than I ignorantly thought when I ran for office” and now we’re still in the situation. So shut the fuck up and leave the politics and intelligence to the elected officials who actually know what they talk about. If you want change, try to not lose so often
Every first world country either uses these techniques or benefits from them. Get off your high horse.
I am not ashamed of my country, but am ashamed of the pansy ass people who live there. We are talking waterboarding! It’s not decapitating, mutilation, pulling out fucking finger nails. WTF America? Are we one big giant pussy waiting to get fucked by other countries? No one is going to take waterboading serious, period. They laugh at us already. IT’S WATERBOARDING for christ sakes! I guess if that doesn’t work we should just threaten them with a good ol’ “Time Out”. What the fuck ever America! You little cry baby bitches make this nation look weak. Shut up already.
Well spoken and I must agree. I hope “justice” prevails and the criminals pay for their crimes. Let the truth be known!
YAH WHAT A BUNCH OF PUSSIES! WATERBOARDING IS FOR ALL-STATE QUARTERBACKS AND PROM QUEENS! AND ANY OF YOU NERDS WHO GET IN THE WAY OF OUR MASTER PLAN TO GET A FULL RIDE TO DATE RAPE UNIVERSITY BETTER WATCH OUT!!!!!
There’s this thing.. it’s called… moving to another country. Your bitching isn’t doing anything. Kill yourself
We must have monsters defending us. We must have men who are moral, who are filled with love, but who have the strength to do monstrous things in defense of the things they love. You cry that torture is immoral, would you not do anything, everything in your power to save someone you loved? Think of your mother, your daughter, your brother or sister. If I told you that one man had the information needed to save their life, would you not do anything, everything you needed to do to get that information? Where would you stop?
I wouldn’t. The life of someone I love is worth so much more than the life of someone who has put them in danger. I say that, no one else, although you can blame Darwin if you absolutely need someone to blame. I would torture that man to save my sisters life. I would shove needles under his fingernails, put cigarettes out in his eyes, electrocute him slowly, if it meant I might gain the life of my sister. My mother. My wife.
Would you? What cost do you set by the people you love?
You. you who profess to be filled with love for your fellowman, you who would do so little to save him. You are weak. You are tiny, and you should be ashamed, for you deny that which has made you able to say the things you do. There is always murder behind freedom, dear heart, although that murder is that of those who would take freedom away from you. Your grace will never be untouched by the blood of those who fought for it mixed the blood of those who fought against it.
When we speak, we should do so with the memory not only of those whose blood allows us to do so, but also of those whose blood was spent so effortlessly trying to make us stop.
Can’t we agree that torture, imprisonment, etc. are all not ideal methods, but sometimes we have to use them. The world isn’t an ideal place. Even if I don’t get killed by a terrorist, I only have so long to live. I could get cancer. I could get in a car crash. Whatever.
In response to defending your family. Sure. I might go pretty far if I knew they had the information. But if there were only a small chance, I wouldn’t. The issue most people have is that they are detainees who are suspected of something. Citizens who are suspected of murder in the US have rights. Just because they are from another country, do you want them brought here and treated with no rights? All I’m saying is they need some sort of evidence that they have the information, or that they are actually guilty of something, before they will have public support. They probably do, but you can’t just hand over all that information to the public.
Years later, we might look back at all of this and say “wow, I’m sure glad we stopped terrorists from nuking the USA by torturing a few scumbags”. OR we could be saying “well damn, we did all that for nothing, and repeated tons of mistakes from past wars”. As citizens who aren’t given access to the majority of our country’s intelligence, we can’t say until that time comes that it’s revealed – if it comes – for all to see. Even then, good luck getting solid information. I’m sure history itself is already distorted so badly…
One of the things that made me think all that is the other poster who mentioned Bush might have actually had more information abuot something – maybe other than WMDs – that made what he did worthwhile. It’s like they say, you can’t always believe what you see. I’ll admit I’m not too happy with how we’ve been handling things, and I’m straight pissed at some of the politics with big corporations, greed, etc. But, some of it may be justified, if we only knew.
WTF, who cares, torture the bastards, I don’t care who it is if they plan on bring down our country it is them or me. Do what has to be done to prevent them from there crazy mentality. How many virgins do they get??? Does it say that the virgins are even female??? LOL and why does someone want a virgin??? It’s nice when you don’t have to teach the girl what to do, LOL
Sorry, they are all messed up and I don’t agree with that article at all. That article is basically saying that America is full of SHHHHITTTT… I will tell you one thing this was the best country to live in, now with the new president you might as well move to a communistic / Marxist country, he has destroyed what took over 200 years to fight for in 4 months.
Why did we even fight the British and have the Boston tea party anyway, Obama has just destroyed everything we have fought for. Oh and now we cant say Global war on Terror, Bull shit… Remember, A trillion one dollar bills will reach 68,000 miles high.
Do people forget we are at war??? So when does a terrorist have rights, do you think you can negotiate with them and then they won’t hurt you???? What is going on with this mind set? You never had this BS during WWII, the whole country was behind the effort. The only thing that has changed is now, people can see what really happens in real time in war and then they think, oh know well we should not do that…. BS…. I am sorry for anyone that we have lost to any war, but I will not have them die in vain and without cause, at least they stood up for us and didn’t sit and ridicule our country for treating terrorist bad. Give me a break.
Freedom does not and never has came without a price and that is what we used to stand for, now we are letting the government choose our choices, from medical to cars and banks… it’s not America when we have the government making our choices.
Just remember that a Trillion Dollars stacked in ones will reach 68,000 miles into the sky and how many more trillions are the Dems approving for more stimulus? Right now our president has spent more than all the other presidents combined in only for months and that is just the start of his spending. Big Government has never worked and will never… Read More work. Oh so you want free medical? well look at Canada, they have to wait in line and takes 5 months and then if they want good care they need an insurance policy on top of that, and where do they come when they have that??? yes, USA. 98% of the Doctors that come to USA from Canada to learn never go back, because they don’t make any money over there. And if they don’t get paid for what they do, then quality goes away. Oh yea, who pays for it, the people do, yes a 12 pack of beer cost 35 dollars and one pack of smokes oh well that would be 24 dollars… oh and gas, yes 6.50 / gallon. It is so nice to have free medical care isn’t it?
Oh Ms. Noonan, the lady that wrote the article on top, I think you are part of the Al-Qaeda network, you are a terrorist sympathizer. You need to find a country where they don’t eat meat at all, and then your kids can go play in sports without scores, and learn a different language because you sure are not an English speaking person with any kind of common sense who likes freedom and will do what they must to protect it. Just LEAVE YOU ARE NOT WANTED HERE. BUT THEN AGAIN, OUR NEW ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT BELIEVE THAT ENGLISH SHOULD RULE OVER THE OTHER LANGUAGES AND HE MADE IT CLEAR ON HOW UNINTELLECTUAL HE THINKS THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA IS AND THAT IS WHY WE NEED HELP. GIVE ME A BREAK…….. SHOW US YOUR COLLEGE RECORDS MR OBAMA, OPEN YOUR PUBLIC RECORDS, YOU ALREADY WON, WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?
The Truth about Iraq and the WMD’s.
Russia removed the WMD’s because all the parts and equipment used to manufacture the WMD’s were sold to Iraq by Russia and Russia did not want the truth be known.
Russia pulled off the largest covert mission ever design and fooled all of our intelligence officials in every way, it is now known as the best covert mission in history.
Not only was Russia supplying them with the WMD’s but they were directly involved in the Oil-For-Food Scandal along with France, China and Korea. That is why Russia and France Vetoed the UN involvement from joining the war in the first place. http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml
Do you remember the Israel / Hamas & Hezbollah war, when Hamas & Hezbollah kidnapped the two Israeli soldiers from the Gaza Strip? Israel has been waiting for a conflict to happen with Hamas & Hezbollah for a very long time and escalated the attacks on Hamas & Hezbollah at that time of the kidnapping hoping that the Lebanon backed Hamas & Hezbollah would start up in retaliation of the attacks in the Gaza strip.
Well Hamas & Hezbollah did retaliate against Israel. That was the whole plan, see in order to uncover the WMD’s that were hidden on the border of Lebanon and Syria we needed Israel to go in and uncover the location, which is still being guarded 24 / 7 365 in the Syria and Lebanon border.
But what happened, oh yea, the corrupt UN, stepped in and saved the day for the Hamas & Hezbollah Terrorists because the UN does not want it to be known where the weapons are. They want Bush to go down as the worst President ever because of the scandals that United States uncovered with the UN and many of the country’s that have Veto power within the UN.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39182
Another fact that everyone needs to know about is that in October of 2001, Kaddafi changed his tune and started turning against some of his most loyal officials and set them up to make it look like he was on our side and capitalized on the setup and arrests of many Muslim Terrorists that until then were employed by Hamas & Hezbollah. And then all of a sudden Kaddafi would start to change his tune even more, because he wanted a seat in the UN. In 2003 following the wake of the Iraq invasion Kaddafi surprises the United States by turning over 55,000 LBS of a nuclear program that it was secretly putting together.
First off, do you really think Kaddafi is trying to please the US and wants to be on our side? I don’t think so. He made a deal with Osama Bin Laden and gave him refuge for big money. Who would expect Osama to be hiding out in Kaddafi’s Palaces? NO ONE!!! Then in 2006 Kaddafi or Libya has a seat with the United Nations, boy that would give Osama direct intelligence to what is going on against him, along with Coffee Annan who was the head of the UN during the Oil-For-Food scandal and who is still in charge of the UN. The UN has stopped the US from finding the WMD’s and will continue to paralyze this country until we are finished.
Now you see Kaddafi is joining forces with Russia and buying up weapons again, hmmm so what happened? Figure it out people, the UN should be abolished, it has not helped solve any problems it is the problem, they are not even helping Darfur.
So I want the reward money, lets go get Osama Bin Laden.
OBJECTION:
Supposedly, the FBI does not have enough evidence to link Osama Bin Laden to the 911 attacks. And on April 4th of this year an independent study concluded that thermite was present in the debris from 911, effectively proving that it must have been a controlled demolition. To this date, no one has offered up a valid explanation as to why building 7 collapsed, as it was not hit by any plane.
RESPONSE:
Oh Erik, your not buying into that missile shit… they do have parts of the plane… you should watch the documentary on debunking that shit these guys are coming up with. It is just like us not ever going to the moon. LOL.. Anyway, Michael Moore is a complete fool along with Soros. Anyway I hope someday you will see past that shit.
OBJECTION:
Well anyone can claim responsibility. When the leaders of the world talk about the NWO in their own words, it’s kind of hard to dismiss that. Even if they had WMD’s, you do not attack another nation unless they attack you first. Even the bible says “An eye for an eye” not “Poke out everyone’s eye that has looked at you funny.”
RESPONSE:
The fact that he used WMD’s in the past and was not complying with any of the guidelines that were given and that he had raped and pillaged another country just to get some money after being bankrupt after a war, he did leave many choices for him self. He had to go, he had the chances and fucked up. Not only that but we did find mass genocide there in many places and he violated all human rights and conditions imposed by common law.
OBJECTION:
Sadam Hussein was a piece of shit, no doubt about that. The Bush Admin knew exactly what they were doing by invading Iraq: Stirring up the hornets nest.
RESPONSE:
Huda Hussein, Sadam Hussein’s son and Osama’s right hand man did have ties, we did find documentation on that and it was prior to 911. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the second in command with headed by Ayman al-Zawahiri, who became second-in-command of Al-Qaeda was planning on assassinating key figures in Britain, Huday gave them the palaces to use in Iraq where they planned the attacks, so know one can say they didn’t have ties.
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Fuck you! Non-American’s aren’t people, so we can torture them all we want! All that matters is protecting the homeland so we can continue to pretend the outside world doesn’t exist! Bald eagles and BBQ baby, wooooooooooooooooooo-hoo!
you are a fucking waste of life kill yourself obama is the biggest fuck to ever walk. you love killing unborn children and sucking dick you fag. just go die and let us real Americans live. I can not believe our men have died in all the wars so you can breath why did your mom not believe in abortion!
Real Americans, Water boarding, Calling people fags blaming other people, this blog has gone on long enough. We all need to be optimistic, have a smile on your face, look forward to your day, smile at people, YOU DO NOT WANNA END UP LIKE ME TWO YEARS AGO. I was miserable I had everything that sucked. Food Allergies, Chron’s disease, Depression, I was socially inept and OCD, oh ya and ADHD. Everybody realize if you keep blaming others and just plain being a douchebag, Then your not going to live your life, and by the way the debate is so un-american comment, well guess what this is a debate, yes this blog is a debate, and you are americans. Well guess what debating is very american so here it is “THINK FUCKING HAPPY THOUGHTS” (period)
what country do we live in where we cant even keep our train systems clean; the same train systems that we need to survive? what kind of country do we live in where the mentally unstable dance in the center of the busiest street in NY? what kind of country do we live in where the gap between the poorest and the richest man is almost infinite…
I think America is total bullshit. This is the land of oppurtunity? HA! We’re so fed up with ourselves we can’t stand it. Isn’t it funny that our health care is fucking outrageous. If I’m not mistaken Canada and Great Britain both have free health care while we’re robbing people making them pay thousands for an overnight stay. When I consider all this I have to just laugh. First of all, to make America better we got to get our mind off money. It’s the fuel to every fire in America and it’s what’s bringing us down. We spend millions, billions, hell I dont know, on nuclear missiles that are just sitting until they are ready for use. It also costs thousands to maintain these nuclear missiles. But where is the people of America? We’re scrounging around for the little money that we can get. How can a government spend millions on useless shit while people are dying, losing their jobs, and in poverty? It pisses me off to think that while I’m sitting here thinking about how I’m going to keep making my money while the government is spending money on a war they shouldn’t be in. I’m not going into the war though because it pisses me off so much… As I sit here and watch Obama on T.V. I cannot understand why he smiles while he talks about healthcare in America, Al Quaeda and other bullshit that we’re supposed to be worried about. How did America end up being so corrupt, so money hungry that we are letting our own people die? There are a lot of unanswered questions about America, and one being how is America still even alive? What the hell is going on, most of America is in debt, thousands, or doesn’t have money at all.. where is this money going? It’s going on shit that we don’t need, shit that’s not a necessity. They speak as if they just want everything good to happen for America but they don’t take actions to do it. America is corrupt, that’s for sure and I believe the constitution started off as “We the people” not “We the Government” and I think that about sums it up… WHAT THE FUCK IS AMERICA DOING? please, if you would like to talk to me about America, or anything at all feel free to email me.
Thanks,
A citizen of a corrupt nation
The problem with our country is not that we torture people( which is logically wrong and just fucked up) our problems lie in the fact that all of us, people who agree or disagree are so caught up in just trying to live our lives. going to work, paying bills, getting married, starting a family. most people bust their ass their whole lives just to get by. Most people are just happy to have the weekend off and party with some friends. this leaves little to no time for the average person to make a difference with out sacrificing some of the before mentioned things. so who is left to make the decisions that effect more than just themselves and people that are close to them. the good ol career politicians many of which are totally disconnect from what we would consider real life at least on the federal level. i dont think they are all corrupt but the shit i see on the news every day makes me sick and i know im not the only one. ive thought about this for years. our constitution is a brilliant document but its a few people that fuck it up for the masses. there will never be a utopia but to all those people that can rationalize that we are just a war country and that water boarding someone is ok, your lack of compassion for your fellow man and your total disregard for our county pissing on our constitution doesn’t disgust me it breaks my heart that you don’t have one ethical bone in your bodies unless in concerns you. the patriot act is a big deal breaking the Geneva convention is a big deal. giving up your freedom is a big deal. you can give your life for your country in war and you can give your life for your country by being in the twin towers on 9/11. neither are logical but if you not willing to accept that something bad like that might happen then what is freedom. at least those people had the freedom to choose to be in those towers that day. we could have honored them by rallying around each other to do some good but instead we decided to kill 300,000 innocent people. all in the name of freedom. any society willing to give up a little liberty to gain little security will deserve neither and lose both Benjamin Franklin
No one says you HAVE TO LIVE HERE.
I think that anyone that thinks the democrats or the republicans are worth anything other then target practice is a crack baby. They hate you, you are irrelevant to them. The republicans only care about big business and the democrats only care about freaks, tree huggers and fags. Neither party cares about the working man or woman. As far as waterboarding towelheads is concerned, skin them alive! They want to kill me, you, your family and your friends. Bush broke spending records, and obama is gonna break those records. Thomas Jefferson said ” a government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take it all away”
It has been well-established by documented scientific research that blacks, or “niggers”, operate mentally at the level of a slow child.
what is wrong with america… lol.. if you are american, you won;t really get it. you gotta see it from outside the fishbowl. trust me the rest of the world knows.
how about people like my wife and i, hard workers, paying taxes, yet we cant get a home, but fucking illegal immigrants get all the fucking things they want. i cant wait to get out this fucking shit hole we like to call america
What the fuck is wrong with America is people like you, who can only whine like petulant bitches, but who offer no solutions as to what to do. You’re the problem. Not the whining solution. Get off your ass and do something positive.
Obama serves the Jews, just like Bush. Why do you think his chief of staff is an ex IDF soldier?
what kind of country can you speak your mind openly and not be beheaded in public?
what kind of country lets your kids have the best chance for a successful future?
what kind of country can you not be discriminated against for your race, religion, sex or opinion?
what kind of country’s leaders fight for our safety every day?
AMERICA you ignorant liberal tool. love him or hate him, G.W. Bush kept this country running through one of the hardest times since its beginning.
AND HE KEPT US ALL SAFE. what he did is the cost of freedom.
America isnt perfect, ill be the first to admit it. but you would be WHOLE lot worse off anywhere else.
ill end with this… if you dont love America, then GET THE FUCK OUT!
You think that the pieces of shit that are trying to kill innocent people should have rights? Yeah those same people hate you and want you dead. If torturing those sub-human monsters will save lives then it is worth it. Sometimes nothing short of torture will get the truth and if that’s what it takes then great. By the way they were not tortured because they are non-christian they were tortured because they were terrorism suspects.
How do you know that they are trying to kill people if they haven’t been tried and convicted? People who torture innocent people are worse than those who kill innocent people, and I for one do not want innocent people tortured in my name. There is a reason we have laws and judges and everyone must be accountable.
Nicely said…
The same type of goverment that will also not help out an American who served in the Marines and HAD to do two fucking tours to Iraq. Now I’m out and I cant get free insurance because I make too much from my GI Bill? And I dont even have a fucking JOB!!!! I cant get help with Medicaid, neither can my fiance` and she doesnt have a job, nor can she get one since she is white and NOT FUCKING BI-LINGUAL…we live in Middle Florida, and since neither of us are fucking bilingual “Spanish Speaking” neither of us can get jobs. We moved down here for me to go to school and its been 4 months and she has applied to over 225 jobs and no more than 2 have called or emailed her…saying they were interested. What the fuck is wrong with that picture? I’m soo fucking sick of this bullshit bass-akward country….its makes me soo sick and want to go on a fucking rampage. Im sick of all these foreigners coming in our country, getting free shit EVERYWHERE…hand outs…free money, free school, free food, free rights…yeh this is the land of the free….FREE FOR FUCKING EVERYBODY ELSE THAT COMES HERE!!!! FUCK THIS COUNTRY—
oh and P.S. OBAMA IS THE ANTI-CHRIST!!!! FUCK HIM TOO!!!
But Semper FI, I don’t think you understand. I bought a yellow ribbon, I SUPPORT THE TROOPS.
This is why this country needs to declare conservatism national dogma and establish an inquisition to root out heresy.
America is Fucked up country.
without citizenship its soo fucking hard to live here.
i mean its not my fault that i don’t have $500,000 to pay for the citizenship.
What the Fuck americA?
Land of the free??? BULLL SHITTT BULLLLL!!!!!!!!
for the last 4 years i have lived in so much poverty and pain that at this point literally im about to kill myself.
Im scheduled for a court trial for living here illegally on december 21 but you know i wasn’t illegal for 7 years i’ve been here it was the last 4 years of my 11th year that screwed me up.
i came here when i was in 3rd grade and now english is the only language i read and speak.
if on that court day i get deported to my old country, my life would be just down the drain.
i cna’t even go to college here because i can’t get financial aid since i don’t have a social security number.
THIS IS BULLL!!!
I’ve STUDIEEDD during school all i got was A’s and B’s never gotten a F in my life and THIS is how i get repayedd???
Land of the free??? BULLL CRAAPP AMERICA!!!
you citizens have it easy!
its not so easy for someone like me.
I know this place wasn’t for this kind of comment but i just needed to write this somwhere and when i typed in fucking america this is where is led me.
srry but i just needed someone to read this and ackknowlege im here.
if i do get deported… i am mentally ready to kill myself and hopefully be happy there.
Wow you are one dumb bitch. Whats wrong with our country is that every one is worried about offending people to much to do a damn thing. America shouldn’t be the worlds police but if we don’t people think were being rude and mean for not helping. America has problems of its own it needs to worry about. As for President Bush he was your fucking President show him some respect, do you know everything that he did when he was making the decisions that had to be made? Do you want to think about what could have happened if he had done nothing and Saddam did have bio weapons? No intelligence will ever be perfect so you have to go with what you have and if your wrong it sucks but at least you did something to try and make it better. If you don’t like America then please leave, go to some other country and try spouting off about your leader and see what happens to you then. Personally I hope you do and when you get abducted and hopefully tortured for a very long time before they finally kill you think about how America was the country where you were allowed to say you opinion, just like I am now, without being killed for it.
The problem with America is you people are paranoid and afraid someone is coming to take your freedom from you. Well they are already here dumbasses, its called the Federal Government. I’m voting for another Civil War so we can have wholesale slaughter of Republicans (and eliminate the culture of fear) and other ignorants who make the country less desirable. The only problem with all of your rationale for torture is that you don’t care about human beings. You people sicken me, call me a pussy or whatever you want, but at least I have respect for life. Maybe we should waterboard your ninety year old ass and see how you like it. The tactics that they use on the enemy will be used on us eventually, and if you can’t see that, then I can’t help you. Freedom isn’t free, but I won’t sacrifice integrity to protect it. Maybe you Republicans are the ones who should leave the country, because we’re making gun laws, abortion rights, healthcare reform, and maybe even outlawing the dumb shit rhetoric of religion. This won’t be “your country” for too much longer, and I thank the President every day for that. I’m cheering for Civil War, so the North can win again!
Whats wrong with America? People like the person who wrote this paragraph about obama impeaching bush. Let me guess your in your mid twentys and think obamas cool right! wake up!One thing we agree on is bush was a horrible president. But if you buy into this crap obama spews from his huge hole of lies and trying to turn america into socialized nation then iI feel sorry for you and every other person that supports this man. he will be the down fall of this nation. Its not about Republician or Democrat. We are Americans, and human beings that are divided by parties from the get go. We are one nation, its time to start acting like it and quit buying the bull shit that our leaders are selling us. I am a small business owner, and follow politics very closly. I am in the business world and obama is killing us. Grant it sure bush started this mess, and obama is taking it to a whole nother level.Let me ask you question? Let me guess you dont follow politics but are strongly opionated mid twentys that thinks obamas cool. What has the government we fund with the tax and fees that we are forced to pay, that the majority of our own leaders and the ones in office as we speak have avoided paying the same taxes, dont live under the same health care or retirment plans as we do done for you but take your money and break empty promises. Go ahead and get on the obama train of bull shit empty lies and be a sucker for the hope and change slogan cause thats all it is.Like every other politician that bull shits us to get a vote. Step up and hold the government accountable for the lies and the scandles and the unjust wars we continue to fight mr, Im gonna bring our troops home obama, full of shit. This guy is a joke like most of our greed power hungry leaders that dont give a damn about you or me. I dont want to hear you are a repub or a demo, Sounds like blood and crips to me, even the same blue and red to distingish their parties. Organized crime that doesnt live by the same laws and struggles we do. We are human being and americans that are letting our leaders divide us and exempt themselves from laws the enforce on us. And for the health care. REALLY!!!! People are really buying this crap. Yes we need reform no we dont want the government to take it over. For them to even call it free health care is nuts. People come from other countries to get into america because we are different, we have rights and freedoms unlike their own countries that have half ass health care and government control, see any similarities to obamas future for america. Looks like we are taking a million steps back when we are the supposed superpower of the world that helps every other country, yet we are going to copy there failed and enjust ways. Sounds like king and queens and we are the peasants. Why did congress exempy themselves from the health plan thats is supoose to be so great for us. Shouldnt they be the first on board. Hell no, they no they are selling shit and some dumb ass will buy it. Lead by example!AND THAT IS WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH AMERICA!
I cant even begin to say half the things iv thought whilst reading this rant and subsequent comments…firstly-well said word of the day,but i would extend it to the whole world,not just the usa!!!!!!WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON? i cant bear the overwhelming amount of pain and suffering going on to our fellow humans!i cant bear the Pain and destruction being raged against humans and nature by a limited number of powerful and influential humans! i just cant bear it any more!!!!!!AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO CAN CONDONE OR JUSTIFY TORTURE,OR ANY OTHER FORM OF KNOWINGLY INFLICTING PAIN ON A LIVING THING, IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FUCKED UP, DISGUSTING AND DESPICABLE STATE THAT THE WORLD IS IN! i am OUTRAGED! come on human race…pull your finger out and pack your fucking egos and blinkers away!open your eyes and start truly understanding the bollocks world we live in,cus we cant change it until everyone wakes the fuck up! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!
i felt i had to write on here because i wanted to reach out to julia who posted on nov 21st….i wanted to say i hope you’re ok…and im sad for your suffering and send you love. i wish u luck and love for your journey whether it be in this life or the next!just wanted u to know that someone somewhere does care! x
And to the annonymous fuck head who posted after her with cold hearted words of bile, well i really hope karma does exist and you learn some serious lessons on compassion through cold hard experience you fucking moron!!!!!
Uhh, you’re an idiot!!!
He also spat on the US Constitution, many many times.
Gee, what do you think of America now? Obama is pretty much falling in line with the Bush decisions! He fails to differentiate himself (or the American people) from the established mantra!
So while completely wrecking our economy, the value of the dollar, throwing away billions of dollars (to friends) while generating no jobs, increasing the size of Govt (which has created the economic problem that we have now), and pretty much identifying himself as an dunce internationally not to be taken seriously. What do you think of change now? What do you think of what the world thinks of us now?
Maybe you should become a czar of something….. what would that be?
Fuck prosecuting the president you fucking trader! We should kill all these fucking scumbag muslims who want a jihad and get it over with. I say we pull the fuck out of the middle east and watch these uneducated fucking monkeys exterminate each other and maybe once and for all the world will have peace. You cannot educate a fucking moronic piece of dog shit like these goatfuckers who run around dressed like fucking women with the mentality of a fucking two by four. They bring nothing to the table for the good of humanity and they leave nothing in their wake but death and destruction. The world does not and should not put up with them. The quicker we expunge these filthy vermon from this earth the better off we as a whole world will be !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This..
Is purely thoughtless fucking stupidity.
You have no idea where to point the blame for problems in america so you point at the ex president because you fell in love with obama thanks to the media you blinded little fuck.
Bush.
Condoned torturing terrorists.
GOOD
FUCKING GOOD.
These people would slit your mothers throat and fuck your sister and make you watch, they deserve torture.
Obama is a piece of shit, robbing an entire generation, creating big government and raping the libertarian views this country was founded on.
Bush was a piece of shit, so was clinton.
Presidents are merely puppets, smoke and fucking mirrors people. what the fuck do you vote for anyway.
Youre a blind fucking brainless narrow mided fucking retard and i hope you open that stupid fucking head of yours one day, drop the fucking politics and think for yourself you stupid little fuck fucking little chicken fuck!.
my rant is done.
and its better than yours.
x10.