Civilian Death Statistics in Iraq & Afghanistan Compared

Amazing. To prove your point further, could you add the number of Iraqi’s allegedly killed by Saddam before the invasion? I imagine it will look insignificant to the number killed afterwards.

Compare the number of deaths from terrorism to that of obesity, smoking and alcoholism in the United States; add to this comparison the money spent on “defense” and healthcare. You’ll get a clear picture of everything.

I don’t know who is doing the killing of Iraqi civilians, but does it matter? The United States has helped create the climate that allows for this kind of killing to happen.

I do know that the U.S. military is downplaying their numbers. For a casualty to count they must die on Iraqi soil. So if a soldier is critically injured and shipped to Germany for treatment (as is what often happens) and dies in Germany, or even just on the military medical plane. It does not count as a war casualty in the announced numbers.

The military knows what these death tolls do to public opinion, and is working hard at keeping it vague. Jesus, it takes an online blog that writes about diet pills that make you poo oil to throw these numbers together.

That my friends, no matter what side of the isle you are on is a sad state of affairs.

Just wondering what are considered British terrorist casualties?
Are these figures including American finance killing of of British citizans by the I.R.A.

I think your figures a little wrong.

Between 1969 and 2001, 3,523 people were killed as a result of the Troubles.

Approximately 60% of the victims were killed by republicans, 30% by loyalists and 10% by the British, Irish and Northern Irish security forces.

I would never use wikipedia as a credible source.

I’m gonna echo Petru: Pete, I think we have to look at whose responsible for disabling the Saddam regime therefore creating the instability and attendant lack of security the invasion has bred, not to mention the motives behind the extremist attacks. As much as I would like to blame this on the naivete of American officials, I think its even more naive to assume that with our massive intelligence network and army of intelligence analysts we would have not foreseen the situation we are now finding ourselves in. We have enough experience replacing regimes to know how the delicate, albeit unjust, power structure in Saddam’s Iraq would react to our “pre-emptive strike”. The current situation serves our interest in several ways.

Was “(see British-government funded Iraq Body Count below)” a throw-away line, or can you point to documentation showing that IBC is funded by the British government? It seems hard to find information on this other than it is run by volunteers, is not a charity, and accepts donations.

I suggest to allposter Morons that DON’T Get It Yet, 911 was not done by anyone Arab.
All the victums in 911 died by the planning of our Government—No tall Bldgs. fall on their footprints faster than gravity–unless Explosives Used. Check out Marvin Bush 911 WTC
Try zero Terrorist killings on USA soil.

The Lancet survey actually was a conservative figure
–Thus, 650,000 deaths is only an estimate; the range of possible deaths is actually 392,979 to 942,636. What this means is that we can be 95 percent certain that the number of excess deaths is in this range, but our best estimate is 654,965. You can think of this as a bell curve, centered 654,965 where the curve is highest. The other values in the range are less likely than to be the “true value” though not as much less likely as a number outside the range.–

while your aims are laudable you have denied a peer reviewed study that used accepted methodology that privately was accepted by the UK govt. even when publically politicians rubbished it. Also the 650,000 is an old figure, Dr Gideon Polya extrapolated the deaths and now the estimate is 1 million

Regardless of accepting his new figure I suggest that you accept the work of several noted scientists published in the Lancet, the preeminent prestigious British journal for medicine, with professors from Johns Hopkins University and the School of Medicine at Al Mustansirlya Univesity in Baghdad.

John-
the Lancet survey was specifically about excess deaths caused by the invasion of Iraq. You seek to excuse hundreds of thousands of deaths as a whim of fashion? “before the US did anything in the middle east” when was that? Shall we take the 1953 overthrow of Mosaddeq in Iran as a starting point for large scale interfrence, or do you want to go back further?
Perhaps you should start with Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler who could educate you about the United States activities around the world, although he died in 1940 and was never deployed in the middle east he managed to win the medal of honour twice and observed:
“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.”

When he was sober, my dad would have some profundities to share like:
“I cried because I had no shoes till I met a man who had no feet.”
My therapist agreed that was a pretty tactless thing to tell a six year old who only wanted a baseball glove.

The one that actually helped me in life was:
“Figures don’t lie, but liars figure.”

j

Holy Toledo Batman! Wikipedia as a source
If you had so many other sources why use the least credible?

great website-
http://www.logictimes.com/antiwar.htm

If you hate bush and America you need to read. scroll down past the pics and look at the calculations of death toll

Seems to me that ignorant people like to attribute several hundred thousand deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan to muslim terrorism. this is presumptuous and false. i know its hard to think about how many people have died because you voted for evil jackasses that act in the best interest of the financial elite (not that we’re given any legitimate, altruistically acting options when voting,) but trying to pull the wool over more people’s eyes is despicable to me (even if you don’t realize how brainwashed you are.) Billions upon billions of tax dollars aren’t spent on these wars for the common good, its to make rich people more rich and more powerful, at the expense of millions of people in the bed of humanity. and the ludicrously excessive military budget isn’t even directed towards taking care of our soldiers. wake… up. research, think outside the box.

Using wikipedia just ruined the credibility of your report here. Also, Muslims kill more of each other in Iraq and Afghanistan than we ever have. Another skewed liberal report here.

THis is stupid…whaere do you get your information? how are you even putting these numbers up here? Irag and Afganiwhatever dont have any way of monitering their populations…who is making these estimates? GFY and how dare you compare those worthless deaths in a sand whole to the great americans who died on September 11, 2001.